DUP
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 2952
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Which one is the marketing guru that trys to sell the stuff you do? DeMagnetizing Plastic LP's, I'm sure the minute materials you claim to have discovered in the plastic is a real detriment to the sound embbed in MECHANICALLY read grooves. this magnetism that you say exists. The motor in a turntable is probaly more magnetism let a stray than the nonsense you invented. Come on dudes. Who has the incredible hearing that proved the effect, and the cure? Hope you come up with a product to shield solar noise!!!
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Wes Phillips
Registered: Sep 2005
Location: Free Republic of Bay Ridge
Posts: 209
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Hey DUP, why not chill out a bit? I haven't heard this product and you haven't either, so neither of us "knows" whether it has an effect or not. Having managed a record press, I do know that the material that makes records black is frequently carbon-based (although some mid-80s European compounds used dye), so it is possible that subjecting LPs to a magnetic field would change the sound -- especially when those records are being "read" mechanically by a magnet-driven cartridge. BTW, most modern turntables have motors that are located nowhere near the disc or the cartridge, so that magnetic field probably doesn't interact much with either.
Again, I haven't tried the LP Demagnetizer, so I have no way of knowing whether it makes an audible difference or not. Neither do I know whether the difference it makes (if any) is an improvement or not -- just as I don't know, without having heard it, if the improvement might be significant enough to make me want to buy it. But, having manufactured "plastic" LPs, I know enough to not dismiss the concept simply because it never occurred to me that it might make a difference.
There's a difference between maintaining a healthy skepticism and presuming that the universe is obliged to conform to your beliefs.
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Jonathan Scull
Registered: Apr 2006
Location: NY
Posts: 69
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Furutech is a meticulous, science-driven company.
Regarding their cables, there is no mystery at all regarding the universally acknowledged Ohno wire product from Furukawa. There is no mystery about the effects of materials treatment like their 2-Stage Alpha Cryogenic and Demagnetizing Process. Metal parts and wires are cryogenically frozen; there are well known phenomena associated with cryogenics, including, as mentioned in my original post for the deMag, tighter bonding of the atoms which makes for better signal transfer.
Check your tool closet; many items, say a hammer, are heat or cyro treated.
I’d think it can also be generally agreed that magnetic disturbances aren’t good for line-level signal transfer. Ramping their Ring Magnet System up then down during manufacture but before assembly removes any residual magnetic charge in all metal parts used in Furutech products.
Add Formula GC-303, a 3M material that absorbs EMI. You can see them in cuffs around the Reference III cables and layered on the bottom plate of Furutech’s power distributors and filter components. Let’s not forget the Axial Locking system Furutech developed to cut by 10 times the vibration getting through to their duplex outlets.
What all this has to do with the deMag I hear you holler?
The same technology, backed up by with the same total devotion to measured data (and luxury build at modest prices), is applied to the RD-2 Disc and Cable Demagnetizer as it is to the deMag. The deMag can treat more discs and cables at the same time than the RD-2.
Furutech’s website will shortly feature a Technical Articles page with white papers, test data and conditions, supporting graphs and charts, plus careful engineering analysis of same for all to see.
Thank you for your comments.
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DUP
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 2952
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It all sounds like great concepts, too bad, it's a lot of psuedo science.....Yeah, Cyro treatments for things where it matters. Not in a wall outlet, and somehow, now let me understand this, I use a magic frozen wall outlet, BUT, I don't have a magic frozen, treated, heated(Siltech, freezes and heats, hmmmmm) line cord, where did the frozen magic stop? What about the ferrous screws used in TT? What about ferous magnetic screws used in assy of loudspeakers? What kind of motor is used in this LP demagnetizer, what kind of line cord, hope it has some of the frozen magic from their own stock. What happens to teh removed residual magnetism, during teh transfer of teh LP from this unit to the TT? I think they need an enviormental chamber, to protect the treated LP, otherwise it seems like an effort in futility. Matter of fact, why not an enviormental cage for the entire audio system? Probably would cost as much as some of thee magic tweaks and aftermarket fixes, fixes for problems, that probably don't exist. Haven't heard any news on green ink treatments for CD lately? What happened? Everyones minds have closed on this one?
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DUP
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 2952
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My modern VPI TT MKIII has it's motor directly under to the side of the LP, about 3 inches away, I bet it has more magnetic leakage than is left on any LP. I need a motor Mu metal shield? Hey's what's Mu, I don't know, what's Mu with yu? What kind of material is the demager made out of, plastic? With residual magnetizm in it?
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Scull Communications
Registered: Apr 2006
Location: NY
Posts: 39
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Furutech’s Pure Transmission Philosophy
Furutech manufacture luxuriously made products, elegantly engineered, sensuous sounding and looking, a pleasure to use, with the finest parts, technology and materials treatment available today to impart that elusive sense of true quality all audio and video enthusiasts crave.
Audio and video enthusiasts quickly find the limits of so-called industrial- or hospital-grade AC power connections, especially given today’s multiplatform high-resolution formats. Furutech concentrates on achieving precise signal transfer characteristics with meticulous, high-level engineering of the total product, focusing on making the best sounding components using cutting-edge materials and processes, like the 2-Stage Cryogenic and Demagnetizing α Alpha Treatment. And Furutech manages it all with very attractive prices.
Everything you see, hear, and experience from a home entertainment system depends entirely on the quality of the AC mains supply and the power supplies of each component. If you start with compromised power, you will never reach and experience those intimate moments of profound, nuanced, detailed and dynamic musical presentation.
Furutech knows this high level of performance can only be reached by thoroughly engineering and optimizing each and every element of signal transfer, no matter how small, using the best materials and technologies available. Once these processes-are applied to every aspect of AC power and all signal transmission cables, your system will open up. This includes the cryogenic treatment
You will enjoy a much greater sense of power, dynamics, and resolution, with cleaner, blacker backgrounds and a larger, more stable soundstage, with vivid tonal colors and deeper extension at both ends of the frequency range. Video displays of all types exhibit greater, sharper resolution with less ghosting, color shift, “snow”, or vertical and horizontal lines.
Furutech makes a wide variety of high performance 15A and 20A A/V cable and power distribution/filtering products. Like the e-TP4+4, e-TP609, e-TP609E, e-TP60/20, RTP-6N, RTP-6E, e-TP60, e-TP60E Power Distributors, and e-TP80, e-TP80E Power Filters, RD-2 Disc and Cable Demagnetizer, RWL-1 Tuning Panels, PC-2 Disc Pure cleaner, and our very special NANO Liquid Contact Enhancer, plus other fine products, all engineered to optimize performance of your system.
Oh yes, you mentioned ferrous screws above. Here’s a snapshot of the Pure Transmission Philosophy at work. It’s known that AC flowing through a conductor creates a magnetic field around it, and that includes conductor within the AC connector. Furutech engineers found that the screws holding the connector shells together had current-induced magnetic fields around them that caused interference with the “main” magnetic field around the conductor and shell. So they designed the Earth Jumper system. It ties the small connecting screws to ground eliminating their current-induced field.
Thanks for the opportunity to explain all this to you.
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DUP
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 2952
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Thanks for teh response, I am still baffled by teh audio casultys of an improperly magnetized screw in an AC line cord cap. What do I hear with a magnetized screw, and what do I hear when the screw is de magnetized. Of course can you please post some lab tests say on the residual flux before and after treatments, that would surely be better proof. Why not use non ferrous screws in these expensive cord caps to eliminate the need to be demagnetized? Why not carbon particle type devices? What about teh screw holding the plate covering teh wall outlet? What about teh metal box in teh wall that the wiring device is attached to, using a demagnetized line cord doesn't eliminate the stray magnetic field that is in teh wall or on teh wall does it?
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DUP
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 2952
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Still sounds likes loads of nonsense. You have heard current induced magnetic interference in YOUR wall outlets? Come on, you know you haven't. Let alone some AUDIBLE issues with an AC wall device that needs anti vibration screws!!! My entire house vibrates when I am cranking, the wall outlets are irrelavant!!! Come on fess up, all this scientific thinking is merely some dudes sitting round thinking up some new marketing buzz, with nonsesen at it's core. Come on, you know ...vibrating wall outlets are NOT audible, nor interfering with anything on this planet when listening to a stereo.
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